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15 years 2 months ago - 15 years 2 months ago #7503 by Joe Rocket
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Ok I am still relativaly new to this business and I realize I don't know everything but I am fixing some P&ID's and some of these marks don't seem right. I have already asked some of the other people in the office and most of them seem to be brain dead. Ok so I have a tank and first off it is labled tk-57 instead of t-57 which seemed odd to me but thats how they want it. Well on top of this tank is a valve, it is the 3 arrows pointed at eachother symbol (left, right, and bottom pointing up) with the relief symbol on top. Isn't this a conservation vent (CV)? They have PVRV but I haven't seen these marked like that before so I was wondering if that was right. I was also told these were marked up by a college intern so thats why I question. Another way the are marked which is odd to me is in the instrument bubble the tank number is on top and then the pvrv-01 is on bottom. Anyone have any insite as to why it is done like this or if its all wrong. I have a hard time telling them, hey this isn't right, when i can't really tell them why with good facts. thanks for the help.
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| TK-57 |
|PVRV-01|
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^ sorry this is the best i could do

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15 years 2 months ago - 15 years 2 months ago #4992 by Joe Rocket
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It messed up the picture. hope ya'll still get the idea though.

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15 years 2 months ago - 15 years 2 months ago #4993 by Anton
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Hi Joe,

If you can take a screen shot and make a .jpg or.gif file, you can attach it to your post ...

Any way, the problem with what you are describing is that standards vary from company to company, and client to client.
When I say standards, I'm talking drafting symbology, valve tagging conventions, line numbering conventions, instrument tagging etc.

That makes it hard to say whether what you are describing is correct or incorrect.

Try and talk to someone senior in your group, and ask for the drafting / cad manual and numbering convention guidelines for that particular project.

If this does not exist, try to find all instances of similar tanks etc across all the P&IDs and see if there is any consistancy.

If a drafting / cad manual and numbering convention guidelines don't exist, your job is going to be frustrating.

Anton

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15 years 2 months ago - 15 years 2 months ago #4994 by Joe Rocket
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ok I hope this works here is a screen shot of what I am talking about
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15 years 2 months ago - 15 years 2 months ago #4995 by Jop
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The advice Anton gave you in good.
I would also like to offer some incite and a recommendation.
A. It is not unusual for a Client Company to label tanks "TK". In my years in this business I have seen both "T" and "TK" .

B. The symbol you described is (and then show in your sketch) is a combination "Pressure & Vacuum Relief" valve. The tagging bubble data should follow the ISA Standards. However that is only a recommendation and not a law.

C. I recommend that you talk to the Instrument Engineer and get an understanding of all instrument tagging for the project.

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15 years 2 months ago - 15 years 2 months ago #5002 by Joe Rocket
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Alright well thanks guys for your input. It turns out so far that these symbols are supposed to be CV conservation vents. They still have a problem with their numbering system though. I guess what was confusing me the most was that they don't follow a standard so it makes it really hard to compare with other drawings. Right now I'm making them pick one way of doing things and then i'll change everything to match. ARUGH! it suprises me the multi million dollar companies can run so unorganized. Once again thaks for your input.

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