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TOPIC: Software Vs. Design Ability ... a sore subject

9 years 8 months ago #7806

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In considering candidates for piping positions, is there too much emphasis put on software proficiency and not enough on actual design ability?

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Re: Software Vs. Design Ability ... a sore subject 9 years 8 months ago #5622

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Here are a few examples, some that seem to confirm what you are saying and another that has got it right:

For this one the first two requirements are CAD oriented. The you only need to be "Familiar" with piping layout or storage tanks.
"Mechanical/Piping Designer (AutoDesk Inventor)
About the Job:
* Must have AutoDesk Inventor and AutoCAD experience
* 3D surface modeling experience
* Familiarity with piping layout and design
* Familiarity with process storage tanks and design"

For this one CAD is the primary posted requirement and the other may or may not be related to Piping Design training or experience.
"I am looking for a Principal Piping Designer with the following:
Autocad experience
Offshore Certs
Experience of Offshore trips"

This example is more like what a job posting for a Piping Designer should be.
Job Title: Piping Designer –
Essential Duties and Responsibilities
• Function as a strong designer on medium to large projects, and be responsible for organizing execution of own deliverables for projects.​
• Develop complete functional and constructable design packages using information from various sources which may include site studies, vendor drawings, catalog data, engineering sketches, reference drawings and input from other disciplines.​

• Responsible for supporting new business efforts including preparation of effort hours estimates for piping design, and total installed cost estimates associated with piping design.​

• Responsible for schedule and quality of all piping deliverables.​ Plan, schedule, and coordinate detailed phases of piping work with peers.​

• Coordinate details and design criteria with process, civil, mechanical and electrical disciplines.​
• Construct scenarios from various information sources, consider alternatives, develop details, and follow through with solid workable solutions for design problems.​

• Initiate design coordination with engineers and other disciplines in the development of complete drawing packages.​
• Be responsible for equipment modeling, development of layout models, piping, supports, and isometrics.​

• Perform routine to difficult design assignments which require the application of fundamental design techniques in accordance with company and industry standards and codes.​

Piping Designer:
What does the Piping Designer need to know? Piping design is more than just knowing how to turn on the computer, how to find the piping menus and the difference between paper space and model space. So, appropriately, what else does the designer need to know about piping design besides how to connect a piece of pipe to a fitting?
Here is a list of some of the most basic of things that a good piping designer should know. Thinking about every one of these items should be as natural as breathing for a good piping designer.
• Pipe, Fittings, Flanges and Valves – All designer need to know and understand the broad spectrum of items that make up the “vocabulary” of the piping language. This includes the many types of fittings, the many different schedules and the wide variety of common piping materials.
. Process Plant Equipment – All Designers need to know and understand what the different types of equipment are. They also need to know and understand the piping related issues are for each type of equipment. They must know which types of equipment have the nozzles fixed by the manufacturer and which types of equipment need to have the nozzles located (by the piping designer). The designer also needs to know and understand the operational, maintenance and installation/construction issues for each type of equipment.
• Allowable pipe spans – All designer need to know and understand the span capabilities of pipe in the different schedules for a wide variety of common piping materials. When a new project introduces a new material with severely reduced span capabilities; supplemental training may be required.
• Expansion of pipe – All designers must understand that they need to treat a piping system as though it is alive. It has a temperature and that temperature causes it to grow and move. That growth and movement must be allowed for and incorporated in the overall design. Not just of that specific line but for all other lines close by. The process of expansion in a pipe or group of pipes will also exert frictional forces or anchor forces on the pipe supports they come in contact with.
• Routing for flexibility – The piping designer must understand how to route pipe for flexibility. Routing for flexibility can normally be achieved in the most natural routing of the pipeline from its origin to its terminus. Routing for flexibility means (a) do not run a pipe in a straight line from origin to terminus and (b) building flexibility into the pipe routing is far cheaper and more reliable than expansion joints.
• Weight and loads (live loads and dead loads) – The piping designer needs to understand the effects of weight and loading. They need to know and understand that everything has a weight. They need to be able recognize when there is going to be a concentrated load. They need to have access to basic weight tables for all the standard pipe schedules, pipe fittings, flanges, valves for steel pipe. They also need to have the weight tables for other materials or a table of correction factors for these other materials vs. carbon steel. They need to be able to recognize when downward expansion in a piping system is present and is adding live loads to a support or equipment nozzle.
• Equipment piping – The piping designer needs to know the right and the wrong way to pipe up (connect pipe to) different kinds of equipment. This includes pumps, compressors, exchangers, filters or any special equipment to be used on a specific project.
• Vessel piping – The piping designer also needs to understand about the connecting, supporting and guiding of piping attached to vessels (horizontal or vertical) and tanks. They need to know that nozzle loading is important and does have limitations.
• Rack piping – The designer needs to understand that there is a logical approach to the placement of piping in (or on) a pipe rack. It does not matter how wide or how high the rack or what kind of plant, the logic still applies. Starting from one or both outside edges the largest and hottest lines are sequenced in such a manner that allows for the nesting of any required expansion loops. The spacing of the lines must also allow for the bowing effect at the loops caused by the expansion.
• Expansion loops – The designer needs to understand and be able to use simple rules and methods for sizing loops in rack piping. This should include the most common sizes, schedules and materials.
• Cold spring/Pre-spring – Designers should understand the basics rules of cold spring and pre-spring. They need to understand what each one is along with when to and when not to use each.

Any piping designer that has this type of training, this type of knowledge and then consistently applies it is indeed a piping designer. He or she will also be a more valuable asset to their company and to themselves in the market place. On the other hand anyone who does not know or does not apply the knowledge about these issues while doing piping work is nothing more than a piping drafter or a CAD operator.
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Re: Software Vs. Design Ability ... a sore subject 9 years 4 months ago #5938

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This is the ultimate design tool:

http://www.pipingdesign.com/pencils/the ... e_tool.jpg
- If you're the smartest person in the room ... you're in the wrong room.

Re: Software Vs. Design Ability ... a sore subject 9 years 4 months ago #5968

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This is the ultimate design tool]www.pipingdesign.com/pencils/the ... e_tool.jpg[/url]

This must be the cordless version?
Reality is a trigger word and we're quickly losing touch...

Re: Software Vs. Design Ability ... a sore subject 9 years 4 months ago #5969

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It's the new bluetooth WiFi version!
- If you're the smartest person in the room ... you're in the wrong room.

Re: Software Vs. Design Ability ... a sore subject 9 years 4 months ago #5970

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It had to be superseded due to a high carbon foot print- THE LEAD.
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