PDMS TRAINING

Why are so many clients in the US not willing to train pipers on PDMS?

I believe I can answer that question! PDMS is a British program, one of the first 3D piping programs. Because it was first (like AutoCAD) it becomes the "standard" that other programs have to meet or beat. One of the main issues is the fact you can't buy a copy of PDMS, you can only lease a seat for it, and it's expensive! There are LOTS of other 3D programs ...just as good (and maybe better), but they can be bought out right. In my own area we have only one client that uses PDMS, and the only reason they have it is because their parent company (a major oil company) leases PDMS, for their overseas operations (where the Brits have had the major part of operations) ...the client here gets it because it's free for their use. Problem is they want all work done on their facilities to be done in PDMS! SO what engineering company is going to lease PDMS without any grantees of the amount of work they’ll get from this client? …This is the issue here; PDMS is not a user friendly program, overly complicate, expensive, and "foreign" (using terminology not used in the states). There are far better options to use then PDMS, and why U.S. companies tend to avoid its use! ...IMHO

11echo- part of your explanation might be true & logical except "PDMS is very complicated or it is not user friendly".

I am working on PDMS from last 7+ years & as per me (or most of the PDMS users out there) its is extremely user-friendly, easy to use / learn / customizable when compared to the other competitive 3D Plant design softwares. I also work on PDS / SP3D & I strongly believe that PDMS is simply great with enormous capabilities yest the simplest one in the group.

cj.abhijit ...When I was introduced to PDMS, "IF" you made a mistake, there was no "un-do" button! You had to determine where you ended up and then determine what to do to get back to where you needed to be! That was 7 years ago, have they change that issue with the program? ALL other 3D programs I have worked with (Cadworx & AutoPlant) have an "un-do" button! IF that is still the case with PDMS, then you and I have a different understanding of the term "user un-friendly"! ...Did you know what PDMS stands for? ...Piping Done More Slowly!

PDMS allows the user to UNDO and REDO commands in DESIGN and DRAFT.

Cadworx & AutoPlant are awesome plant design softwares but AVEVA PDMS is also not less by any means. However, started thinking why not learn Cadworx too (as this will not be a tough task for me as it an AutoCAD based software) Thnx to u!

As per me, do you know what PDMS really is? ...Plant Design More Smoothly!!

PDMS allows the user to UNDO and REDO commands in DESIGN and DRAFT.

Only since V11.6, and it rarely works as a true "undo" in anything but the MODELEDITOR in DESIGN. I have not had much experience with its use in DRAFT but I have seen it completely UNDO a whole session for one user in DESIGN, not just the last command.

PDMS as with any of the popular 3D modeling programs has its faults and weakness'. I have only ever known PDMS as my last 2 positions have required its use and the firm before could barely issue a P&ID let alone step into the realm of 3D design.

I find PDMS to be very quirky, backwards in progress and yet other times I feel that it's made my job so simple my 7yr old son could probably keep up with me given the proper training & guidance